This does however pose a bit of a issue when loading singular pellets, like on the Maximus. I got my wind flag out at 50 yards. The older guns had fewer safety features and were known to slip off their sears while they were being loaded. Spyderco has their name-brand knives made in Seki City in Japan. Pressed into the ground, I can mow right over them. That is something that can definitely be improved upon within the industry/retail outlets. I wear them, but not when shooting. Too bad the mounts are so expensive…but once and done. But why would your gun not advance the clip like other guns? I have never heard of a pellet loader for the B3, but one of our readers might like to work with you on your idea. And I’m going to check out your other pictures now. Also fits the Tech Force TF34 and TF38 models. (needs 10 fpe, has 5 built in,… need 5 more fpe) ,..just as a “theory”. These two rifles look so similar. Guess I’ve still got it , Halfstep And to think more about it since I like to mod maybe I could modify my squirrel feild target to accept one of these cartridges like I said. It is therefore in your best interest to know this and also to know the differences between the older models and the newer ones. Yep I guess that drooper mount is one peice and it would go over the loading port. The stock is the same pallet-grade hardwood I mentioned at the beginning. Nice feel, heavy wood stock, trigger guard and trigger, stamped steel, OK, but a bit on the cheapo side. Page down. I have a couple of options here. I also put a 4 power Winchester scope on the gun based on Halfstep’s recommendation a while back. I was just checking a search on the B-3’s and found them on Amazon for about $50 new so the price has stayed consistent for 30 something years. For the time being you can remove the rear mount and slide the scope back to get an accurate impression of where the eye relief is best for you. But they do limit the application for use. Well regarding the noise level, my wife always complained when I was shooting my RWS34 in the basement. Just don’t tighten it too much. Halfstep That wouldn’t bother me at all as long as the bolt can be lifted without hitting the scope ring. To me it looks like there is light or should I say space inbetween the front objective bell and the barrel and breech. Well long for me. maybe u know how to reach that company? Then I would get a little more because my UTG rings are .812″ long, so .8 minus .6 would equal .2″ more for a total of 1.6″ more movement to the rear. I have been comparing it to my Marauder, which is very quiet and referred to as the standard by some folks, and my stormrider which is not attenuated at all. The thing is shoot as much as you can when you can. Wish List Compare. I also did not get any new leaks after putting it back together so a good success story so far. ——-Ed. I bought some Chinese knives at the same time, and had the same sad opinion on their quality. Maybe call PA tech support and ask them. That’s not a fair price for this gun, IMO. Also, the straps are .6″ where as my UTGs are .812″. 1. Scrip. Reviewed in the United States on June 11, 2013. I picked up my 101 from him. Their agility is simply amazing,… the ape species that is. Then push it back out the breech end and see what you get. And I’m sure if the skirt was exsposed it would scrape the skirt as the clip indexed. It is much, much quieter than the stormrider and very close to the Mrod. I’ll just post it here again for no paticular reason. I don’t know if you read my reply to Halfstep but the BKL 30mm offset ring is 2″ long and the strap and mount are each .6″ long. This is actually a very small amount. Geo Receive 10% off your next order when you sign up for emails. There is a lot of manufacturing oil on the gun which comes off pretty quick and you will be shooting many pellets before the rifle stops smoking. Next I tried to polish the barrel crown in the gun. It was a much better value at that price than a B3 would have been. Here is a chart of the pellets that shot best from one of my Wildfires at 12 yards. I was fortunate enough to find the materials at work. The wood finish is easier to see. The scope’s eye relief is specified to be 3.0-3.4″. Really nice finish on stocks. You are still trying to hit a small object, with a small object. We all may get a surprise when you finally get you and the Urban out at 50 yards. A couple of small irregularities in stock surface on both rifles … Remember?,…. The pellet will hit the cartridge with more force than a pin. , I added some notations to your pic to explain its operation. I use the term ‘Real Steel” a lot when I’m comparing an airgun to an actual firearm. I brought this same thing up before. I actually have tuned a Chinese air rifle in the past and gotten it to shoot very sweetly, but it’s been a while. It took quite a few tries before I could not feel any resistance in the pellet as it passed the crown. “Stretch out it’s legs”,.. It’s a pretty large scope and has the AO at the front. Brainy Quotes attributes it to Voltaire:, But the really interesting link is to a NASA document by that name: Plus the cartridge could be off set so only half of the back of the cartridge is exsposed to the hole that the shooter shoots at. You take a short wood dowel ( about 4-6 ” long), put a short piece of screw in the end, at right angles to the dowel, put the end of the screw into the pellet cavity. I think I paid less than $60 for a Norinco JW15, I think its called. See my latest results at the bottom of the blog. thunder. I did try it out the other day 1x and the sound was a bit subdued,… but it was pointed into the woods. I’m not so sure that hanging bodyweight is a good measure of what one can do. I wear glasses only for reading. I just posted this above without looking at the comments. But here is something also. Archer Airguns provides replacement QB78 and QB79 instruction manuals for the QB78 and QB79 airguns. And thinking about it now. But hey,… I will gladly do it as opposed to spending another 20-50+ bucks for something that will work. But at least they don’t cost a lot. Nail gun cartridges. Found out some more information regarding the Sterling rifles. It would just have to be turned around backwards. I posted some pictures on yesterday’s blog at the bottom in a reply to Chris USA. I still recall the ad that said I could expect 850 f.p.s. The ape bodies must be physiologically very different. They cycle fine with all others. I couldn’t take the wait though and if I had to pay for the service I would always be second guessing whether I really needed to spend the money or not. Come on. On the other hand, I will be making comparisons, so I still don’t know. Some times slower gives better accuracy. Obviously this pistol isn’t ready to shoot! As you can tell in the included pic, I have all sorts of room left with this particular setup. Air Gun Mods and Tunes » B3-1 .22 Spring Guide Replacement and Tune ... Their still a cheap CHINA shooter and several of us have pushed em to their limits with mod's hehehe but now I'm happy where mine are at. Plus the pellet will cover a bigger area. . 4 inches), has no trigger safety, and a short stock end made for a very small person with short arms. Next on the eye relief. I may have to mount one to my RWS 52 sometime to test its mettle on a springer. So if you tune it, they will do quite nicely with a not too powerful spring. And had a dry seal, is very clean, meets your description, only wood much better and shoots very accurately and it’s just lot of fun! Fun is what this was all about. I looked at the graphic of the BKL offset ring again and it appears to have the thickness of the ring down to the shelf, guessing maybe .200″ or so. It became their problem, only because they were so large. The 177 is a toolsnow with the leather seal. He describes a cartridge being installed somewhere. The retail price of this little rifle is about $75. So even a .177 pellet would set off the cartridge when hit. And the target paddle never needs adjusted for how hard it hits. . That would make one heck of a big POOF! I made several for my Diana Mauser 98 . ... 5.0 out of 5 stars Chinese B3 .177 cal Air Rifle. Just so you know, that green thing is just a Oring that you can put on like a rubberband after the butt plate is fastened back on. And I myself I would never send it out to have work done to something first. But look at what I showed with my target. But then again it would first be nice to see the 34 and how the scope is set up on it. The silver are nice to add a little “bling” to your gun. Quite the interesting air gun, (from the rather dubious quality stand points that you have noted), point of view. Would not cock with the new spring so I put the old spring back in. Under Lever Air Rifle QB36-1. Out at 150 or so yards it’s blowing with a head wind to the right. NK here with a quick pellet hack… I saw a social group on here for Chinese springers for info regarding a tune guide. The gun arrived double boxed and still there was a small dent on the butt of the rifle. Simple and solid. It just hits off a little more out at 100 than it does at 50. Just a thought. If you have figured it out just ignore this. And a now I usually still clean my lens on the scopes as needed with the wiping clothe they give with scopes. The Pellet Rifle by many names, but most commonly known as the B3. So, when fingers started getting chopped off, nobody was responsible — except Compasseco. Geo the old Communist philosophy that “good enough is good enough” (wasn’t that a B.B. And of course the target should be used in a sensible way as intended. As long as you think they got enough offset. Also fit Tech Force TF34 and TF38 models. It did not make any difference in the groups but did take all the play out of the barrel. Oh well that’s how we would do it in the old days. Geo and all Maybe you might want to start making and selling my targets. Meanwhile, some elite level human athletes were put on a rigorous program of exercise. The B3-1 is still being offered for sale today. I might tear into this one and tune it, just for the fun of it. BKL lists the overall length at 2.0 inches and the ring and clamp both at 0.6 inches. I’ve found some B1 and B2 without scopes grooves that looked old. And it hit high not low. You almost have to make multiple shots at a given aim point and see what happens. The conventional type that clamp when you squeeze them (and the non-conventional type) that open when you squeeze them and hold when you let go. The “tactical” look of all black, synthetic stocked air rifles is not only very much “in” at the present time but extremely practical in use in the field or at clubs. Thanks for the warning I was eventually going to get it working. I put the scope back on the gun and shot another 12 shot group. aspects,… I fail to see much attraction. Most Chinese air rifles from this era have wood filler in the stock somewhere. If they are different it is in the manufacture not the overall barrel dimensions. The test rifle has been abused by leaving it lying around. Now if I can get the scope setup correct I’ll be in business. It will latch if I help it, but no cleaning or lube (no disassembly yet) has helped. I was going to cut the over length on the all-thread, but decided to leave it as an “accessory” mounting apparatus. Trust me it pays off. The block and the plate must be removed to reload,.. in that order. If 5# is already there,.. and it takes 10# to do the job,… then only 5# of additional fpe is required. They are too small and are not designed to grip anything. The sear, sear spring and breech seals are also suitable for use in the Tech Force TF40, TF22, TF2-1 and TF11 models. This was before Gore invented the internet so reviews were not available. I remember seeing that contest on the news,… as a funny side feature. The only way I can see if I hit is if the bottle moves. What if it comes back and really shoots bad. That would put the offset at 1.4 inches front of clamp to front of ring. Should I say yet. For my 25 and 30, which is still in the yard,.. What do you guys think? What about the 34. (In other words, what parts move when it is struck by the pellet?) Now I can try different pellets and fill pressures if I want to but the gun is supposed to be a good plinker and I really don’t need it to be any more accurate if the accuracy holds. It did though have a anti-bear trap safety like most newer ones that slides under the trigger. And what’s wrong with being a irregular person. And I have brought this up in the past. They are kind of a weak bifocal if you will. Halfstep I remember your tip/tool. B.B. He could shoot sitting at a bench and standing off hand or propped in a doorway and he might find that what he has will work and that what is perfect in one position will require him to adjust his stance to get a good sight in some other position. The shot goes off. Both guns have sling mounts, That seems different. But, the parts have also been found suitable for use in a number of other air rifles. It only took me about 5 shots to get on the 1/2″ target. I don’t think the earliest ones had the anti-beartrap. I think that is the usual advise even with the anti bear trap feature. That is it. Not that it’s the problem. This brings back the memory of a break barrel .177 purchased by mail order from Compasseco in the late 90s. You don’t need a firing pin. Like B.B. I don’t know. He is some Yankee that moved down here last summer. , 200 yards,…. The 12 shot group is 0.47 inches and I did not give it any special concentration when shooting. Bob First post here! It is a classic and should be read by anyone who is interested in crossbows. I got it tied to a stick stuck in the ground and the bottle just laying on the ground. B.B. Chris The guys had to do pull-ups. ——Ed . It will be difficult for many shooters to use it. . That cartridge will go no where. Look at the rear sight locations. And I just posted two drawings of what mine would look like when I make mine. But at least you can take it off if your not crazy about it on the gun. I don’t know how it would work in your case. If I don’t think they are getting the accuracy I want. I wanted to suggest an alternative to the oring that you used on your front sight, if you ever want to alter another of the guns of this design. I’m just here for the fun of it. I also have not found a place that services these or sells parts for them in the USA. But darn alot of extra work. I asked everyone I could email what to do, even here. The old B3 you showed with the rear sight to the rear looks welded on instead of clamped to 11mm groves. Some owners have tried to use faucet washers or appropriate size, as the seals are hard to come by. Hats off! Chris–I tried several kinds of forceps (tweezers). Nick sent this to me several months ago in a box that must have been wrapped in about 1200 feet of clear packing tape. Of course, armed with that information, it then takes a bit of simple math. It made not difference in my gun because its accuracy was so bad small improvements did nothing. It can be a 10 mph cross wind blowing from left to right. Very nice group of .155″ ctc. Log in to Reply. I found one like that at a pawn shop with no scope grooves and was surprised to find it had a metal spring guide. Other than the curiosity or collectability? A wood loader will be crushed by the compression chamber, but it is probably not going to fly out of the gun. The Maximus was a bit hard to load at first, but as like you say,… now it is by feel and automatic. They aren’t that easy to take apart, but there is a lot of information about how to do it and new parts are available. slipped or broke. That was impressive velocity for the time. BB—Thunder—–Pellet loaders exist. Nothing breaks apart. You might try shooting the first clip at one target then the next clip at a second target and so on and see if the groups improve as the velocity goes down. That is where it will seem the loudest, especially if the area has lots of wooden and tiled surfaces in it. 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